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Yet, you are unable to prove this.
Relative motion is basic physics, it's why you're wrong.
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No, that's a Straw Man. I stated the Moon was tidally locked.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Also a Straw Man, the Earth is stationary Relative to the Moon.
Geocentricity proposes the Earth is Stationary Relative to the Sun.
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I provided a reference to assist you in understanding Tidal Locking. Do you need me to explain it for you?
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Gravity by far has the greatest impact on the orbit of the Moon and Earth. Unless you have proof otherwise.
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Opinions are not evidence.
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Neither is disregarding logic and physics.
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Physics, when it's false, I will disregard.
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Disregarding relative motion is to disregard physics, science, and logic.
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Your actions speak otherwise.
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I don't intend to get famous just yet. I will pace my journey to the paradise of the north pole as the aliens/god guide(s) me.
Truth is beyond your talk, truth is beyond your opinion of me. Truth is about thinking beyond even when you think you can think is thinkable.
Yes. There are layers of logic and I get to the rawest level.
You cannot out-think me, only out-word me.
Observe the moon, observe the sun, observe the ground, observe your accuracy of observing and ignore everything other than the ultimate truth deep within.
The weak soldiers of fate will soak in a lot and dish out next to nothing other than what they absorbed. The real gangsters know life is about fighting against all foe to the bitter end and staying loyal only to the realest of the real.
You can tell me Newton was a cool guy, I tell you he was Satan himself.
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Irrelevant, your beliefs and emotions cannot change fact.
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Your faith isn't evidence.
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Faith is belief without evidence. As I have some, it is simply not the same thing.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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To preach would be for me to make claims without evidence. As I have evidence, this also inaccurate.
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I am not ignoring anything, this is a Straw Man. Motion is relative. Velocity changes based on which object you measure speed and direction from. Relative motion is your hang up.
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Earth's Wobble doesn't impact the orbit of the Moon, at least not measurably enough to cause it to destabilize.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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"Sorry, but by saying that the earth is stationary, you are ignoring that motion."
This is a Straw man. The Earth is stationary relative to the moon, but moving at about 68,000 miles per hour in relation to the Sun.
"I've given a practical example of relative motion in the OP. "
You've explained that you reject the concept of relative motion, and basic physics.
"it is your position that these practical experiments and everyday observations, such as the traffic analogy must be discarded. "
Also a Straw man. Your analogy disregards relative motion.
"My only "hang up" here is the pseudoscientific position that you hold."
Incorrect. It's your inability to grasp relative motion.
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https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion
I'm well aware of the theory, are you aware of the fact that I've given a logical reason why these motions don't match what we see in reality? You are assuming both that the earth moves, yet it doesn't. That the moon goes around the earth in one direction, and that it goes in two opposite directions simultaneously.
"You've explained that you reject the concept of relative motion, and basic physics."
Basic physics are physics which apply to everyday observations and experimentation. If your version of "basic physics" ignores the earth's motions, well, I accept your concession.
"Also a Straw man. Your analogy disregards relative motion."
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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"https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion"
You asserted this. You stated the Earth orbits the Sun, and the Moon orbits the Earth.
"I'm well aware of the theory, are you aware of the fact that I've given a logical reason why these motions don't match what we see in reality? You are assuming both that the earth moves, yet it doesn't. That the moon goes around the earth in one direction, and that it goes in two opposite directions simultaneously. "
That's because velocity is relative. You would need to disprove realitive motion for this to make sense.
"Basic physics are physics which apply to everyday observations and experimentation. If your version of "basic physics" ignores the earth's motions, well, I accept your concession."
This is a straw man, relative motion doesn't ignore motion.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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"In your own words, you said that relative motion means that the earth is stationary, relative to the moon. So I ask, how is it logical that a body orbiting a body ignores that bodies' motion? "
Because they are traveling the same speed and direction. They share the same velocity in relation to the Sun.
The Earth is Stationary Relative to the Moon.
The Moon is traveling at about 68,000 miles per hour relative to the Sun.
The Earth is traveling at about 68,000 miles per hour relative to the Sun.
The Moon is Traveling at 2,288 miles per hour realitive to the Earth.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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So, when the goes into the part of it's orbit where it goes against or away from the direction that the earth is going around the sun, it is presumably still going in the same direction as the earth, effectively 2 opposite directions simultaneously. This is your position, yes?
You're describing relative motion. You're getting it.
Regardless of what the moon is orbiting, it's still traveling at about 68.000 miles per hour realitive the sun, just as the Earth is. Simply having an orbit wouldn't result in a collision. What direction an object appears to be going is relative.
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Your problem is you're thinking of it as two sets of traffic, one set going one direction and one going the other. It's not, a better analogy is 3 lanes of traffic going in the same direction with your car being in the middle lane. At one point a car goes past you in the passing lane. A little bit it's moved over to the slow lane and you overtake it. It's gone from side to side a bit as it's switches lanes and its speed has changed a little, but it's never stopped going the same direction as you. The result is it still overtakes you then ends up behind you, but it never goes the opposite direction form you from an independent viewpoint.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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This is a straw man. Velocity is relative.
Relative to the earth, the moon did not change speed.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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The analogy doesn't work, as you don't account for relative motion.
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1) The less distance between two objects, the stronger the gravitational pull.
2) The Earth, while it has less mass, is significantly closer to the Moon than the Sun is.
3) Without gravity, the Earth would move away from the Sun, and the Moon would move away from the Earth.
https://phet.colorado.edu/sims/html/gravity-and-orbits/latest/gravity-and-orbits_en.html is a good scientific resource.
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Your claim to countering my example is asking if the moon has a gas pedal. Presumably if I'd used an analogy of a bird overtaking the other you'd have asked if the moon had wings. If you want to you can attempt to make some kind of defence "E.g. as the Moon does X it should have a gas pedal, but Ampersand claims it doesn't therefore Y". Instead you have just asked a dumb question and then for no reason declared victory.
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You got no counterargument, thanks and bye.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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